tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8273911883856580200.post5650186748754771819..comments2024-03-11T00:52:06.529+10:30Comments on MYSTERIES in PARADISE: Crime Fiction that makes you thinkKerriehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13581470363339796352noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8273911883856580200.post-75759296265242078482012-02-05T05:36:18.076+10:302012-02-05T05:36:18.076+10:30I haven´t read The Vault yet, but one thing I admi...I haven´t read The Vault yet, but one thing I admire about Ruth Rendell´s crime fiction is that she very often weaves a crime plot and a social issue together with great success. E.g. Simisola is absolutely unforgettable for me. <br /><br /><br />NB: a belated Happy Birthday to you! Have been ever so busy teaching a project this week.Dorte Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14535044092722418173noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8273911883856580200.post-32822145676497764152012-02-03T19:29:46.715+10:302012-02-03T19:29:46.715+10:30I read a lot of the older crime fiction in the pas...I read a lot of the older crime fiction in the past but have not done so for many years now, possibly for this reason. One has to be careful, some authors (the not so good ones) think that adding extraneous details about their detectives' lives or additional subplots will make their books stand out, but in fact they do slow things up and are just as "flat" as a straight "murder, 6 suspects, pick one" type of story can do. I like to think of intelligent crime fiction as "a novel with a crime in it" and what most interests me about any kind of fiction is the reactions of people to a perturbation (eg a crime) in their lives.<br /><br />A lot of authors from mainstream fiction are these days aware of the popularity of crime fiction and are trying to write it into their books, with varying degrees of success. Often, what seems fresh to them and their usual readers is very well known indeed to us crime addicts!Maxine Clarkehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06628509319992204770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8273911883856580200.post-54434385031523752132012-02-03T17:50:40.154+10:302012-02-03T17:50:40.154+10:30I like mysteries with social issues, but they have...I like mysteries with social issues, but they have to be written with care, so it's not like a hammer pounding into one's head. Good writing is still required.<br /><br />I find a lot of the Nordic writers include issues, even Nesbo in Nemesis, Indridason in most of his books, done quite well, Donna Leon, woven skillfully into her Commissario Brunetti novels and many more.<br /><br />I like how Sara Paretsky does it, as her issues are always those we have to deal with in the States, and she sheds a little light on the subjects as V.I. Warshawski defies danger and investigates.kathy d.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8273911883856580200.post-8458396387253662912012-02-03T17:05:20.851+10:302012-02-03T17:05:20.851+10:3090% of the time I do want there to be more going o...90% of the time I do want there to be more going on that just a straight whodunnit...but as others have said it has to fit within the overall context of the main story - I think that's one of the things I liked so much about THE BROTHERHOOD - it managed to bring up those interesting issues you mention as part of the story and, most importantly, the issues did not overwhelm the story (as can happen when someone has AN AGENDA that takes precedence over remembering that the yarn has to keep the reader engaged to)<br /><br />I suspect my liking for this kind of crime fiction is the main reason I have reduced the amount of 'cosy' titles I read as they generally do not have much going on other than the puzzle to solve, though some do (e.g. Kerry Greenwood). Though I do like the occasional lighter read and that's where stuff like Elly Griffiths and Sulari Gentill's books come into play for me. Even though they might not be gritty they still explore issues. In Sulari Gentill's most recent book we got a look at the treatment of women in 1930's Australia, impact of war on people who fought and those who didn't, what leads people to extreme right wing thinking...I like considering all of those alongside a few laughs every now and again.Bernadettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07641617609801125707noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8273911883856580200.post-63231207256875552352012-02-03T16:15:48.824+10:302012-02-03T16:15:48.824+10:30I understand what Neer says about the personal dev...I understand what Neer says about the personal devils that haunt investigators, it's as though some authors think you need a totally flawed personality to make the character interesting. However, I don't think you can write a crime story without including something of the day to day lives of the people involved and also some sort of social commentary about what's happening at the time. Ian Rankin is particularly good at this. I try and include issues that affect the lives of the people who live in Aldershot, but they must be reflected in the story and above all be relevant. <br />Wendy Cartmell<br />Author of the Sgt Major Crane novels.Wendy Cartmellhttp://www.wendycartmell.webs.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8273911883856580200.post-34542348710820096432012-02-03T15:01:18.967+10:302012-02-03T15:01:18.967+10:30I don't know. Sometimes the side issues kind o...I don't know. Sometimes the side issues kind of ruin the story. And I am little tired of reading about the personal devils that haunt the investigators.neerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01986509319841061021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8273911883856580200.post-7712972406107559812012-02-03T13:11:05.653+10:302012-02-03T13:11:05.653+10:30I prefer more than one thing going on at a time as...I prefer more than one thing going on at a time as long as it works within the storyline and isn't an unrelated tangent.<br /><br />Shelleyrae @ Book'd OutShelleyraehttp://www.bookdout.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8273911883856580200.post-37557623364447255382012-02-03T10:59:50.850+10:302012-02-03T10:59:50.850+10:30Kerrie: It is a very interesting post. I do not re...Kerrie: It is a very interesting post. I do not read much vintage crime fiction but am going to consider what you have said when I next read crime fiction from an earlier era. It used to bother me reading about fictional lawyers who only had one case to deal with at a time. That is not the way it is in real life!Bill Selneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17268006369157307593noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8273911883856580200.post-73374589312304920782012-02-03T08:33:21.671+10:302012-02-03T08:33:21.671+10:30Kerrie - Thank you so much for linking to my post....Kerrie - Thank you so much for linking to my post. I understand exactly what you mean about other issues to think about besides the crime at hand. I like that very much, too, so long as the issues don't become too unwieldy or pull in too many different directions. I've read novels where, honestly, I thought the author was trying to tell too many stories. When the author keeps a focus, though, I'm like you; I enjoy "mental food" as much as I do the mystery part of a plot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com